Curse

JDRyder · May 30, 2007, 02:54 AM // 02:54

Ive seen a lot of Monks in Pve use some builds that are "questionable" builds

I know 99% of the monks that are going to say this is a good skill but it really is not that good it cost 10 energy and regen is not that good for healing its about 100 skills that will work better then this skill

I don't even think i need to say why this skill is so bad but i see monks use it -1 energy regen is bad +3 - +4 HP regen will not help at all a lot of better skills u can use over this

A lot of monks use this but only thing it works on is wars and id use a skill that works on every one in the party over this

A lot monks i see do not use this skill but its not that bad it will save any 1 from dying. a lot of monks don't like this skill because it take 1/2 your HP but in pve you don't get attacked a a lot and you will be fine with this skill

good for a hex remove skill players ask why and i always tell them cause you can use it in more then 1 way to remove hexes or pre veil a player that you know is going to get hexed and pre veil just be for he gets hexed and re move

1 of the most missed used skills that a monk as its good players just don't know how to use it all you got to do is use a low energy set its not that hard to move to a low energy set then use the skill then go back to your main set whats a low energy set? A -5 energy sword and a shield will take your energy down then you just go back to what ever you use as a main set

i never seen a Pve Monk use this skill ever blows my mind its so good if you don't know why read the skill it heals for a lot for 5 energy

i almost never see a monk use this still i don't know why for 0 energy it heals for 67+ if its a war attacking it will heal for 67 more !!! I never play a healer monk with out it

this skill is better then it seems i use it on just about all my prot monk builds w/ just 8 in healing it heals for a lot and only cost 5. 1 of the better skills if used right. to use this right this has to be the only healing skill in the build but most prot monks put 12 in prot and 12 in DF but by taking DF down to 10 and adding the points in to healing DF still works fine

a lot of monks use this skill but i don't like it cause its a skill that you spam for it to work right your r not trying to keep your team at 100% just from dying this skill is good at keeping your party at 100% i guess but its a lot better 5 energy skills

the best healing skill IMO only cost 5 energy and if they have hexes or enchantments on them or both this skill can take them up to 100% HP form 1HP even if they have high HP just 2 hexes or enchantments it will heal for like 126 "to lazy to do the math for it right now" and most players that are about to die have a hexes or enchantments

I love this skill it many not seem a lot to only take off 5 damage per hit but if he is getting hit a lot and you put this on him he will not take any damage at all I'm sad to not see many monk use this skill

Monk Elites

hands down the best monk elite out there

it does it all hexes conditions heals all a monk needs and it can be used on yourself O_O all monks need this skill

don't think i have seen a monk use this in pve but is nice for a life bonder IMO or just a prot monk that uses a lot of enchantments. its some skills that can replace this but i like it for its fast recharge for getting energy

i love this skill. removes hexes conditions and heals good skill over all not a lot needs to be said about it >_>

i want to say this skill is bad but i know i will get jumped on for doing so. fast cast and recharge a "OK" heal but you will have to spam it cause it does not heal for a lot. there are better elites you can have over this skill

good elite i like this elite you can use skills like heal other and they will even be good with this skill cause they will take the target party member right back up to 100% even with low HP heals this skill will make them take a target party member right back up to 100% hp "meaning you have to heal less and you are better on energy"

this skill sucks need i say more >_> *talk to the hand*

best healing elite hands down for only 5 energy this will heal for the same as heal party "if they have 79%HP or lower" this skills has saved a lot of partys

bad skill same as healing hands only recharges slower don't think i will need to say more about it

don't see any monks use this but if you make a build for it it can be nice but still a lot of better elites

best prot monk skill hands down removes all conditions for only 5 energy !!!! o and it recharges in 2 secs !!! AND IT HEALS ZOMG !

i dont like this skill cause it takes 10 energy for a skill that last 5 secs "give or take"

for 15 energy and 8regen for 10 secs >_> no ? but you do get 40 armor that thats nice its a so so skill i guess i don't like it my self but i know if you use it right it can be a "OK" elite

i love this skill still good for a high heal for 5 energy good skill over all IMO for the players that don't have factions or night fall

*covers his head cause he knows hes about to get hit" i don't like this skill at all for pve i think theres a ton of better elites for pve for a prot monk. id take RC over this skill any day but this skill can be a "OK" elite for 4-6 ppl teams when you are the only monk but id still take blessed light over this skill

ill add more skills as i go but i want to put the skill i put in 1st cause i never a lot of the good skills used but i always see players use the "questionable" skills in pve. Cause your team passed the mission does not always mean the monks did a good job at monk all monk builds i make have both prot and healing some where in them its not a good monk build if you cant remove hexes or conditions IMO some players like to run a prot monk and a healer monk where the prot monk removes hexes and conditions so on and the healer just heals this works but i think it works better for both monks to remove conditions and hexes to any monk that reads this and does not like it says what you want. I have only played monk for about 2 years now in PVE HA and GVG and never 1 time have i ever have some 1 not like me as monk sounds cocky but it is :P i started just like the monks that i see now a days using skills like healing breeze heal other and so on but i was willing to try new skills and builds unlike a lot of monks i see in PVE

Fell free to PM god aquarius in game for more tips and info on monk "not willing to help players that don't listen"

All monks pve or pvp need to read this http://www.guildwarsguru.com/index.p...138&highlight= even if you are a pve monk this will help you a lot

GoodEnoughForMe · May 30, 2007, 03:33 AM // 03:33

You've never seen anyone in PvE use RoF? Seriously? I hardly ever see anyone NOT use it. I'ts easily one of the most common in the game. At GW Gamependium it's one of the most searched.

And I am not saying Vigorous Spirit is 'zomg gg' like, but it does work on pretty much everyone; it heals off of spells and attacks, and as such is much more efficient than the, as you said, crappy healing breeze. But yes, there is definitely better out there.

I do think that Sig of Rejuv. doesn't get enough love from healer monks, but oh well, I'd take hybrids or pure protect first.

Utaku · May 30, 2007, 08:57 AM // 08:57

100% of the monks I picked up were 100% healing prayers.
Nice guide JDRyder.

**Marty Silverblade** · May 30, 2007, 09:04 AM // 09:04

I've been playing a Monk for ~20 hours and it looks like I'm doing quite well. If I was to buy (and unlock if necessary) 8 skills to take with me for the entire of my Monks 'career', which ones would you recommend? If that didn't make sense, what I want is a good, efficient build to play through most of GW with. Sort of like the 'D Slasher'(thats a popular Warrior build) for Monks.

Thanks in advance

moko · May 30, 2007, 09:20 AM // 09:20

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

I've been playing a Monk for ~20 hours and it looks like I'm doing quite well. If I was to buy (and unlock if necessary) 8 skills to take with me for the entire of my Monks 'career', which ones would you recommend? If that didn't make sense, what I want is a good, efficient build to play through most of GW with. Sort of like the 'D Slasher'(thats a popular Warrior build) for Monks.

Thanks in advance

[Elite]
Reversal of Fortune
Protective Spirit/Spirit Bond
Gift of Health [Only if elite is not Zealous Benediction, else use Shield of Absorption]
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Aegis
Dismiss Condition [Shield of Absorption if elite equals Restore conditions]
Holy Veil [Shield of Absorption if elite equals Divert Hexes]

Stormlord Alex · May 30, 2007, 09:32 AM // 09:32

I agree wholeheartedly with Mokone, hybrid builds are by far the best for general PvE.
However, there is no one 'best' hyrbrid to run for PvE - it's best to have a selection of elites, and change the one you use depending on the foes you fight, unlike with Dragon Slash which kicks ass against everything

Trylo · May 30, 2007, 11:42 AM // 11:42

great guide... i hope more people see it, i would love to see more prot/hybrid monks running around in PvE... i barely ever see any good bars in pve. One of the best ive seen is holy haste with LoD, you might want to include LoD for your healing. Also i would put Words of Comfort in there too, just because its a 100 heal with only 1 condition.

JDRyder · May 30, 2007, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by Trylo

great guide... i hope more people see it, i would love to see more prot/hybrid monks running around in PvE... i barely ever see any good bars in pve. One of the best ive seen is holy haste with LoD, you might want to include LoD for your healing. Also i would put Words of Comfort in there too, just because its a 100 heal with only 1 condition.

yea i have used holy haste with Lod but i thats 1 of the skills i find better not to use cause i don't think i have a monk build with out holy veil >_> or some enchantment

i have used Words of Comfort a lot when night fall 1st came out but i find its better to remove conditions its a team damage thing "blinding weakness dazed crippled ect" with out them they team can keep the damage up

as for hybrids yes they are better but most the time i am the only monk doing any thing. the other using heal other over and over and 1min in to the fight that monk has ran out of energy so i like to use 13 in healing 10 in prot and 10 in DF. works for me i can monk a party of 8 with this set up "yes i have done it on a factions mission"

Trylo · May 30, 2007, 09:01 PM // 21:01

i use a similar setup for pve also, but usually have DF at 11 or 13 and healing ~8 or 9 with prot ~12 (probably because you dont use sig of devo. and use sig of reju. instead). And i have no doubt that you can solo monk a team of 8, i have done it in pve (before the easy buff to normal mode, now it really shouldnt be hard at all).

i agree removing is better than healing, but sometimes with low(er) amounts of energy (15 or less) its hard to remove more than 3 or 4 conditions at a time without restore condition, which is my 2nd fav. elite at the moment (Blessed Light being my favorite).

are you not introducing elites in your guide? is it supposed to be basic monking? because what i meant by the pve comment with the LoD and Holy Haste was that you should definitely show LoD as a good pve skill (pvp to some extent as well).

[skill]deny hexes[/skill] and [skill]Signet of Devotion[/skill] would also be some great additions to the guide, deny hexes becoming one of the more popular non elite hex removals and signet of devo. being the main energy management healing of many monk builds (at least the ones i use, mainly because i have gift and that doesnt work with sig of reju.).

JDRyder · May 30, 2007, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Trylo

i use a similar setup for pve also, but usually have DF at 11 or 13 and healing ~8 or 9 with prot ~12 (probably because you dont use sig of devo. and use sig of reju. instead). And i have no doubt that you can solo monk a team of 8, i have done it in pve (before the easy buff to normal mode, now it really shouldnt be hard at all).

i agree removing is better than healing, but sometimes with low(er) amounts of energy (15 or less) its hard to remove more than 3 or 4 conditions at a time without restore condition, which is my 2nd fav. elite at the moment (Blessed Light being my favorite).

are you not introducing elites in your guide? is it supposed to be basic monking? because what i meant by the pve comment with the LoD and Holy Haste was that you should definitely show LoD as a good pve skill (pvp to some extent as well).

[skill]deny hexes[/skill] and [skill]Signet of Devotion[/skill] would also be some great additions to the guide, deny hexes becoming one of the more popular non elite hex removals and signet of devo. being the main energy management healing of many monk builds (at least the ones i use, mainly because i have gift and that doesnt work with sig of reju.).

well i don't like Signet of Devotion cause of its 2 sec cast time i used it a lot but now i like sig of reju better cause it heals for more and 1 sec cast time as far as deny hexes i don't think its a good hex remove skill cause you have to have a DF skill recharging better just to have holy veil they have same recharge but i don't have to spam a skill that takes 2 secs to cast and if you use it with blessed light you can remove 2 hexes yes but i don't find a lot of places where i need heavy hex removing skills "i am sure they are out there but yet to find a place where i am waiting for holy veil"

as for elites it is for "starting monks" but i will add them in soon maybe today some time

ctbear · May 30, 2007, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

well i don't like Signet of Devotion cause of its 2 sec cast time i used it a lot but now i like sig of reju better cause it heals for more and 1 sec cast time as far as deny hexes i don't think its a good hex remove skill cause you have to have a DF skill recharging better just to have holy veil they have same recharge but i don't have to spam a skill that takes 2 secs to cast and if you use it with blessed light you can remove 2 hexes yes but i don't find a lot of places where i need heavy hex removing skills "i am sure they are out there but yet to find a place where i am waiting for holy veil"

as for elites it is for "starting monks" but i will add them in soon maybe today some time

if we are talking about PvE i always prefer deny>veil as PvE is so easy that u dont even need to pre veil (against diversion for example)
in this case i prefer a skill which can remove multiple hexes
deny works well with signet of devotion, which is
1) e-management
2) decent heal
you just have to use it at the right time
but anyway u can always cancel casting it whenever u need to
deny also works well with divine spirit and as it has a long recharge you can remove at least 2 hexes with deny guaranteed
As for PvP i would say deny:veil is 50:50

Shuuda · May 30, 2007, 10:27 PM // 22:27

I fail to see how anyone cannot use RoF in a prot build, it's like one of the most basic and important prot skill in the game, if not the most.

moko · May 31, 2007, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

I fail to see how anyone cannot use RoF in a prot build, it's like one of the most basic and important prot skill in the game, if not the most.

I believe most Hybrid Monks eventually forgot how to prot thanks to ZB and Gift. Blight was energy heavy, forcing them to protect a lot but then ZB came. you could spam Gift, Zb and Devotion (many noobs do it and forget how to prot) and basically not prot anything and still do fairly well -- and eventually forget how to use RoF properly.

once they stop using their elite so much, they'll actually learn how good RoF is again, and possibly even realise that SoA is godmode, that Shielding Hands is neat, that Prot Spirit can save lifes, and that Spirit Bond gives immunity.

to your elite rating;

Blight sucks by now, sorry get over it
Boon Signet is trash, use it for fun mebbeh lulz
Divert Hexes OWNZZZZZZZ
RC OWNZZZZZZZZ
Glimmer SUCKZZZZZZZZ
HB is ok
HH fails
LoD equals god
MoP is trash
PnH fails
SoD is AWESOME!!!!!
SoR is less awesome than SoD but still good
WoH is crap
ZB is ok

others worth mentioning;

Scribe's Insight for Boon

..that's it.

LifeInfusion · May 31, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

The only reason I see for Vigorous spirit is Dwayna's Kiss and Healing Light. :/

Boon signet is horrible. Have you ever killed the boss with Scourge healing? If you did, then you will know what I mean...

Glimmer of Light is trash ever since they released Holy haste.

JDRyder · May 31, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

The only reason I see for Vigorous spirit is Dwayna's Kiss and Healing Light. :/

Boon signet is horrible. Have you ever killed the boss with Scourge healing? If you did, then you will know what I mean...

Glimmer of Light is trash ever since they released Holy haste.

yes Glimmer is a **** but i see a lot of players use it and i don't feel like getting jumped on by noobs that think its good and holy haste is crap as well >_> but players use it and i tell monks how bad it is but soon as they get it in their heads that its good you cant tell them its bad

and boon sig is fun to use

Shuuda · May 31, 2007, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by Mokone

to your elite rating;

Blight sucks by now, sorry get over it
Boon Signet is trash, use it for fun mebbeh lulz
Divert Hexes OWNZZZZZZZ
RC OWNZZZZZZZZ
Glimmer SUCKZZZZZZZZ
HB is ok
HH fails
LoD equals god
MoP is trash
PnH fails
SoD is AWESOME!!!!!
SoR is less awesome than SoD but still good
WoH is crap
ZB is ok

others worth mentioning;

Scribe's Insight for Boon

..that's it.

Awww, Blight isn't that bad, I prefer it over ZB sometimes. Oh, and you forgot Unyielding Aura and Amity, the best of all monk skills.

Drizdee · May 31, 2007, 09:03 AM // 09:03

To the original poster: You don't seem to be a very experienced monk yourself. And you certainly don't seem to have played a lot of PVE with pugs.

RoF is on most monk bars as to my experience, Healing Breeze is a far harder skill to use then it seems at first. But it's extremely effective when used right. Vigorus Spirit is questionable, but in many team setups it's superb.

Infuse shouldnt be needed in PVE (normal mode!) as teammates rarely go that low on HP.

Signet of Rejenuvation is on most healing monk bars.

Orison of Healing is a skill i cant stand myself.

Dwayna's Kiss should be on most monk bars, rarely on mine though.

Blessed Light as best monk elite out there for PVE? Rofl, not even close. You should have a clear clue to what you are going to encounter in PVE before venturing in somewhere.

Boon Signet, rarely a viable choice in comparing to other skills.

Divert, perfect when encountering hexes.

Glimmer of Light, surpassed by other skills.

Healers Boon, yummy.

Healing Hands, not for a monk primary.

LoD: yummy, hands down a great skill.

Mark of protection: too long recharge

PaH: surpassed by most other elites.

RC: Hands down a great elite that i hate playing with.

Remember draw conditons on char though.

Shield of Deflection: Great in HM.

Shield of Regeneration: My most used monk elite, needs careful energy management. When I play with this skill i usually get blaimed for great monking.

WoH: Great skill, but prefer LoD over it.

ZB: Great when ur in a 1 monk setup. Otherwise not viable in my oppinion.

JDRyder · May 31, 2007, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Drizdee

To the original poster: You don't seem to be a very experienced monk yourself. And you certainly don't seem to have played a lot of PVE with pugs.

RoF is on most monk bars as to my experience, Healing Breeze is a far harder skill to use then it seems at first. But it's extremely effective when used right. Vigorus Spirit is questionable, but in many team setups it's superb.

Infuse shouldnt be needed in PVE (normal mode!) as teammates rarely go that low on HP.

Signet of Rejenuvation is on most healing monk bars.

Orison of Healing is a skill i cant stand myself.

Dwayna's Kiss should be on most monk bars, rarely on mine though.

Blessed Light as best monk elite out there for PVE? Rofl, not even close. You should have a clear clue to what you are going to encounter in PVE before venturing in somewhere.

Boon Signet, rarely a viable choice in comparing to other skills.

Divert, perfect when encountering hexes.

Glimmer of Light, surpassed by other skills.

Healers Boon, yummy.

Healing Hands, not for a monk primary.

LoD: yummy, hands down a great skill.

Mark of protection: too long recharge

PaH: surpassed by most other elites.

RC: Hands down a great elite that i hate playing with.

Remember draw conditons on char though.

Shield of Deflection: Great in HM.

Shield of Regeneration: My most used monk elite, needs careful energy management. When I play with this skill i usually get blaimed for great monking.

WoH: Great skill, but prefer LoD over it.

ZB: Great when ur in a 1 monk setup. Otherwise not viable in my oppinion.

i dont care if you think i am a "experienced monk"

ive seen a lot of players say they see RoF a lot go to any Tyria mission "id got to ice caves any mission from that point cause its 2 monks in the groups" and as the 2nd monk to ping his skills you will find mending heal other healing brezee and a lot of other skills like that as for factions i don't go there a lot to do PVE missions for fun or night fall so i dont know if all the good PVE monks are there but i have not seen them any where in Tyria

Drizdee · May 31, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

If u said tyria in the first place i'd agree. In general i dont see any good builds in tyria uintill after i crystal desert. then again if u play monk u dont really need another monk in your team uintill your done with crystal desert either.

JDRyder · May 31, 2007, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by Drizdee

If u said tyria in the first place i'd agree. In general i dont see any good builds in tyria uintill after i crystal desert. then again if u play monk u dont really need another monk in your team uintill your done with crystal desert either.

yea thats my bad for not saying tyria in the 1st place ill play some factions and night fall PVE missions to see if i see any monks use "good" skills i just play tyria most the time cause the missions are more fun IMO